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NATO futurist Florence Gaub on war, weak signals, Gen Z, and why leaders need not only foresight, but also science fiction to future-proof their organizations...
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In this episode of Leaders Unplugged with David Bach, the NATO Defense College research director, futurist and military strategist Florence Gaub explains why “strategic foresight is the gym for the mind,” how weak signals from distant places, online communities, and emerging technologies can reveal tomorrow’s shocks, and why reducing surprise buys organizations their most precious asset: time.
Gaub dissects the Strait of Hormuz, Russia’s war on Ukraine, and China’s climate strategy to show how wishful thinking at the highest levels can cripple even the most sophisticated governments – and what executives must do differently.
Gaub insists that “all companies above a certain size today will be affected by geopolitics” and that every leadership team should build an annual discipline of horizon scanning and scenario work. She argues that whoever “finds the right answers to climate change first” will define the next global power hierarchy, that science fiction is a good indicator for future conflicts, and shares answers to a deceptively simple question: “What future would you be willing to fight for?”
Leaders Unplugged features real talk with the impactful. Candid, honest, actionable, and fresh from behind the scenes. It is presented by IMD in collaboration with Remote Daily.

Franco-German political scientist, military strategist & futurist
Florence Gaub is a Franco-German political scientist, military strategist, and futurist. She is Director of the Research Division at the NATO Defense College in Rome. Before joining NATO in her current role in 2023 (she also worked at NATO from 2009-2013), she was Deputy Director of the European Union Institute for Security Studies in Paris and served as a foresight adviser within the EU system. Her books include The Future: A User’s Guide, and Szenario, a current nominee for the German non-fiction award. She is also the co-host of the Munich Security Conference podcast The Art of Diplomacy.

President of IMD and Nestlé Professor of Strategy and Political Economy
David Bach is President of IMD and Nestlé Professor of Strategy and Political Economy. He assumed the Presidency of IMD on 1 September 2024. He is working to broaden and deepen IMD’s global impact through learning innovation, excellence in degree- and executive programs, and applied thought leadership. Recognized globally as an innovator in management education, Bach previously served as IMD’s Dean of Innovation and Programs.

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