January 8, 2026 • by David Bach, Felix Zeltner in Leaders Unplugged • Podcast available
In this episode of Leaders Unplugged, IMD President David Bach speaks with Rolf Habben Jansen, CEO of Hapag-Lloyd, about leading a global shipping giant through geopolitical tension, climate pressure, and permanent uncertainty,...
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When violence erupted in the Red Sea in 2023, the stakes became brutally clear: “One of our ships was actually hit. (…) so then it’s not a very difficult decision, you know, to protect your people and to have them then sail around the Cape of Good Hope.” The harder question, he explains, is: When is it safe to go back?
At the same time, shipping faces an existential transformation. “Decarbonization and investing in sustainability is something that is there to stay,” Jansen says — yet progress is slow: “The biggest hurdle is not technology (…) it’s the limited availability of green fuels.” That reality produces ideas once considered almost unthinkable: “In fifteen years or so from today, especially the larger container ships can also sail on nuclear.”
Looking ahead, he sees the future of global trade shaped less by cost and more by trust and reliability. “Even in an industry like shipping, you can differentiate on quality.”
Being at the helm of the shipping giant since 2014, Jansen does not buy into the concept of the heroic CEO; he claims that “whether companies are successful is, like, ninety-six or so percent driven by the market that they are in.”
Chief Executive Officer, Hapag-Lloyd AG
President of IMD and Nestlé Professor of Strategy and Political Economy
David Bach is President of IMD and Nestlé Professor of Strategy and Political Economy. He assumed the Presidency of IMD on 1 September 2024. He is working to broaden and deepen IMD’s global impact through learning innovation, excellence in degree- and executive programs, and applied thought leadership. Recognized globally as an innovator in management education, Bach previously served as IMD’s Dean of Innovation and Programs.
Felix Zeltner is a journalist and entrepreneur. He is the founder of Remote Daily, a media company specialized in building live talk shows for organizations around the world. He hosts Wunderbar Together, the leading German-American podcast, and is the co-author of “Stadtnomaden” (2019) and “Hype” (2024). Zeltner holds a double-degree in journalism from Munich University LMU and German Journalism School, and has received several awards for his reporting (Arte, ARD, Der Spiegel). He lives in New York City with his family.
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